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Topic "i am the four time league stud and you are not!" a message from BillyBoy

Fri, 18 May 2012 12:56:38 GMT

FWIW, I finished second to Casey in the West, and I agree 100% with the above. That's the mentality I had on every ball. That's the voodoo!

- Dusty Bottoms

Topic "Coin-op" a message from Buckwheat

Thu, 17 May 2012 15:16:04 GMT

Hey Everyone,

I am looking for a coin-op, so I can get back into the game and start teaching my son. If anyone knows of anything, please let me know.

Topic "Interim League Results 5/16/2012" a message from BillyBoy

Thu, 17 May 2012 02:03:48 GMT

Handicapped Draw - 7 teams
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1 - Noel Rooney/Scott Young - $50
2 - Jim Hubred/Ricky Chun - $30
3 - Chris Pagenkopf/Dustin Hubred
4 - Bill Nolan/Ken Oglesby
5 - Mark Proctor/Jiva Devoe
5 - Nolan Gorney/Eric Young
7 - Miles Johnson/Nart Novak

Pretty goofy bunch of guys tonight.

Topic "i am the four time league stud and you are not!" a message from graykat777

Wed, 16 May 2012 21:18:21 GMT

This past weekend I won my fourth League Stud in about six seasons. I have set a record that will not be matched for years to come.

From my experience of being the player with the highest winning percentage for so many times I have learned some valuable lessons. The first of which is that I am not that good. I play well, but my success is based upon and supplemented by being a part of a team. The team effort is the reason I do good. I am a team player. You should be one too. If you don't encourage your teammates, if you don't go out of your way to make sure your teammates have everything you can provide to excel themselves, you will not be the league stud. Ever.

If you refuse to put your own self interest aside and work to bring out the best in your teammates I will win the league stud again. I will take it from your grasp. I will leave you longing for the title. I will be the object of your frustration because of your own failure, not because of any virtuosity on my part.

Teamwork is the answer. Here is how you start: When you are in a draw play your best, be a role model, and always notice what your partner is doing right and encourage them. The proper encouragement will instill confidence in your partner. This wil also build your confidence. You will be a better player. When you are there, I'll see you.

Good luck in the coming season.

Casey Nelson

P.S. I want to thank my partners Tom Husband and Josh Oliver for helping me attain this goal. Thanks guys!
edited by graykat777 on 5/16/2012
edited by graykat777 on 5/16/2012

Topic "What is Casey's Secret?" a message from BillyBoy

Wed, 16 May 2012 12:16:30 GMT

Casey Nelson has won League Stud for the 4th time in about six seasons.

I want to know what he is hiding. I think he uses voodoo. I've noticed small items of mine missing after our matches, especially smelly things like a wrap or a piece of shoe string. Has anyone noticed him talking quietly to three-bar player figures on timeouts? Maybe it is just me.

Topic "Interim League on Wednesdays" a message from admin

Tue, 15 May 2012 20:30:04 GMT

Interim League Begins 7pm Wednesday, May 16 at Main St. Billiards, Mesa

Post season blues? With the 2012 Winter League behind us, it is natural to be left with that lonely, hollow feeling of wondering how or where to get your next foosball league fix. But you will be pleased to know that some cool things are about to begin!

2012 Interim League : This is an informal league event intended to provide action in between official league seasons, foster player communication and comradery, and introduce new players to the league (there are also cash prizes to play for!). The 2011 Interim League was very popular, with a regular 20 or more players each week! Check out the "Leagues" section (on left menu) for more details...

2012 Summer League : Sign-ups will begin shortly.

So, as you can see, the AZ Foosball League is far from quiet! We look forward to seeing you over the tables very soon!

Topic "Interim League on Wednesdays" a message from admin

Tue, 15 May 2012 20:29:38 GMT

Topic "Cactus Moon Singles and NTP BYP 5-11-12" a message from chambie

Sun, 13 May 2012 20:23:57 GMT

Singles......7 Players

1st - Nick - $35
2nd - Swan $20
3rd - TJ $10
4th - Derek
5th - Brad
5th - Mike L
7th - Rich

No Two Pro Bring - 8 Teams

1st - Nick/Steve T - $110 (Double Dip)
2nd - Swan/TJ - $60
3rd - Brad/Eric B - $35
4th - Derek/Doug
5th - Mark D/Mike L
5th - Jessie R/Pat H
7th - Chris S/Scott Y
7th - Joe S/Cowboy
edited by chambie on 5/13/2012
edited by chambie on 5/13/2012
edited by chambie on 5/13/2012

Topic "Foos Bowl IX Results" a message from admin

Sun, 13 May 2012 17:44:00 GMT

LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH

Three Amigos 3, Pullshotz 1

INDIVIDUAL TITLE MATCHES

League Stud - Casey Nelson (W) defeated Noel Rooney (E)
Goalie War - Jason Collicott (E) defeated Jim King (W)
Forward Shoot Out - Daniel Blech (E) defeated Tom Husband (W)
Singles - Tom Husband (W) defeated Noel Rooney (E)
Doubles - Ricky Chun (E) defeated Darin Mosier (W)
Rollerball - Casey Nelson (W) defeated Noel Rooney (E)
5 Bar War - Marc Waggoner (W) defeated Curt Ritchie (E)
Hired Gun - Mark Proctor
Most Improved Player - Jason Collicott

HANDICAPPED DRAW
1 - Marc Waggoner/Jesse Rhode - $50
2 - Jim Hubred/Miles Johson - $25
3 - Harry White/Ricky Chun - $10
4 - Curt Ritchie/Bill Nolan
5 - Mark Proctor/Jim King
5 - Ken Oglesby/Eric Young
7 - Noel Rooney/Casey Nelson
7 - Daniel Blech/Jason Collicott
9 - Nolan Gorney/Dennis Doyle

OPEN DYP/BYP
1 - Don Swan/Nick Bourdos - $100
1 - Marc Waggoner/Joe Stock - $100
3 - Noel Rooney/Jim Hubred - $36
4 - Bill Nolan/Jesse Rhode - $16
5 - Doug Steele/Eric Borkavec
5 - Scott Young/Ben Zuniga
7 - Holly Minnig/Jeff Minnig
7 - Jim King/Adrienne McCormack
9 - Miles Johnson/Bridget Pedersen
edited by admin on 5/14/2012

Topic "West Side Rules" a message from ken o

Thu, 10 May 2012 23:06:38 GMT

Billies gang is going to kick the Pull Shotz Butt

Topic "Pullshotz win Eastern Conference Championship!" a message from admin

Wed, 09 May 2012 22:32:44 GMT

The Pullshotz defeated Hot Shots: Part Foos Wednesday night 3-1 to advance to FOOS BOWL IX at Stinger's Sports Bar on May 12.

...Very close match; 2 points from going into OT. A great season by the Hot Shots, rocketing from last to first in a single season and nearly winning it all!

Topic "League 5 Bar Rule" a message from jivadevoe

Wed, 09 May 2012 19:44:01 GMT

Our last game of the season also had a 5-bar game that lasted > an hour. In fact, the funny thing was I thought this post was originally ABOUT our game... that's how similar the situation sounded.

In our case, the "take away rule" definitely factored into it. It was simply a matter of tit for tat... one player would get a point, the other would take it away. Literally for a whole hour. Neither team was doing it to get points (or at least our team wasn't, cuz I was the one playing). In fact, that aspect to the strategy hadn't even occurred to me until I saw this thread.

The problem with the game is the issue of sente (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_terms#Gote_and_Sente). The player who serves always has sente, and, if the players are evenly matched, should almost always score a point when he does.

Therefore, given players Alice and Bob, if Alice is the one with the lesser score, the only reasonable strategy is to reduce Bob's score below her own so that when she gets sente again, she can rack the points up to the win.

In other words, for an evenly matched pair of players, you absolutely HAVE to take the lead and keep it. If your opponent should score a point on you that is not answered, then you have to take that point away. "Stealing sente" by stealing the ball after it's been served is much harder than other games IMO since there is less of the field involved in the game.

Of the proposed solutions, IMO, *only* disallowing point deductions altogether is a viable solution.

Time limit = then the strategy will be to ALWAYS keep your opponent at 0 points until the time limit is up, then it becomes as if point deductions are disallowed.
Can't deduct until 6 = always keep your opponent under 6. Not a solution. We didn't even reach 6 until it was almost all over.
Can't deduct if losing = Then whoever gets the first point will win.
Can't deduct if winning = Will make the problem worse.
Deduct only X times = same problem as a time limit
Can't deduct to less than 4 (or once he has reached 4) = Would not have prevented our game from going for an hour. We would have sat at 4 for the hour instead of the 2 or 3 we sat at instead.

I also don't think disallowing point deductions would result in very short games. The simplest defensive strategy in this game is simply wiggling your men back and forth enough to catch the ball as it passes and knock it off the trajectory enough so your opponent can't catch it (obviously without jarring). If you do this, then you get sente, since you then receive the ball automatically. Doing this is surprisingly easy and also can result in the game taking a long time as well. These games would be no faster than say, a FSO game.
edited by jivadevoe on 5/9/2012

Topic "Singles and BYP this week at the Moon" a message from chambie

Tue, 08 May 2012 20:45:13 GMT

Events will start on time so please do your best to be on time - Scott

Singles at 7 PM - Fees - Pros 10, Am/Exp 7, beginners 5, women free - 100% payback

BYP at 8:30 Fees - pros 12 - experts 10- amateurs 8 - beginners 5 - women free! I will have the ranking list at the tourney if you want to know before hand message back here and I will tell you what your rank is. No TJ you are not a woman.

New Knockout Event.......When a team is among the first six teams eliminated they will be entered in a single elimination tourney for 1.5 times their entry fee back.

Teams so far....

Nick and Steve Tellas (WTF he is still alive)
Cocopuff and Swan
Joe and da Cowboy
Bork and Brad
Derek and Doug
Pat and Jessie

Hope to see you all there.

Brad
edited by chambie on 5/10/2012
edited by chambie on 5/10/2012

Topic "Three Amigos are Western Conference Champs!" a message from graykat777

Tue, 08 May 2012 20:37:59 GMT

Way to go, guys!!

Topic "Three Amigos are Western Conference Champs!" a message from admin

Tue, 08 May 2012 04:03:49 GMT

The Three Amigos defeated defending league champions the Stingers 4-0 on Monday to advance to FOOS BOWL IX at Stinger's Sports Bar on May 12.

Topic "Conference Championships this Week!" a message from admin

Mon, 07 May 2012 14:52:18 GMT

League Conference Championships are this week! Come check out the fights for the Conference Championships, and see who will earn the right to appear in the main event at FOOS BOWL IX .

Western Conference Championship
Stingers vs. Three Amigos
7:00 pm, Monday, May 7 @ Stinger's Sports Bar

Eastern Conference Championship
Hot Shots: Part Foos vs. Pullshotz
7:00 pm, Wednesday,May 9 @ Jersey's Tavern

Topic "Stingers 5/5/2012" a message from BillyBoy

Sun, 06 May 2012 05:12:20 GMT

ROTO DYP; 7 teams
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1 - Ricky Chun/Nick Bourdos - $90
2 - Mike Sames/Doug Steele - $45
3 - Bill Nolan/Jesse Rhode - $24
4 - Mark Proctor/Chris Pagenkopf
5 - Scott Young/Noel Rooney
5 - Adrienne McCormack/Casey Nelson
7 - John LeVan/Shane Helton
edited by BillyBoy on 5/6/2012

Topic "New Location in North Phoenix!" a message from admin

Sat, 05 May 2012 14:21:45 GMT

The Loft Again
15015 N. Cave Creek Rd.
(602) 482-3130

One Tornado table w/light.

Neighborhood sports bar with good prices and live bands. Lots of newbie interest for those who would like to teach the ways of the foos!

Topic "Message from the Three Amigos" a message from BillyBoy

Fri, 04 May 2012 14:56:53 GMT

This salute goes out from my teammates and I, to all of those we have the honor of encountering during our quest...

Topic "League 5 Bar Rule" a message from pushkick

Thu, 03 May 2012 19:54:24 GMT

I sub for the league and didnt see anyone using the take away point rule the first couple times i subbed. I didn't even know that it was a new rule until about the 3rd time I subbed. It seemed to start getting out of hand later in the season and was involved or should i say not involved in the game at Jesters that Ken wrote about. It was excrutiating for the 4 of us that were not in the game and waiting for over an hour to play the next game. I didnt really like it before that and new for sure i hated it after. Definitely need to do something and if eliminating it is not in the cards (dont think Billy wants to do that) then option 2, 6 or 7 should help ameliorate the time problem.

Topic "Pullshotz win Eastern Conference Wildcard Match" a message from admin

Thu, 03 May 2012 10:31:45 GMT

Pullshotz defeated the Night Crawlers 3-0 on Wednesday to advance to the Eastern Conference Championship Match against Hot Shots: Part Foos on May 9.

Topic "Three Amigos win Western Conference Wildcard Match" a message from admin

Tue, 01 May 2012 03:23:13 GMT

Three Amigos defeated the Foos Brothers 3-2 in OT to advance to the Western Conference Championship Match against The Stingers on May 7.

Topic "Cactus Moon Tourney Change for this week." a message from chambie

Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:38:04 GMT

Foosers - because I and at least three others will not be here this week, May 4, I am changing the BYP/Singles tournament format into a standard DYP for this Friday. We will then run the BYP/singles tournament the following week May 11th. If you have any questions or concerns let me know.
Brad

Topic "Stingers 4/28/2012" a message from BillyBoy

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 20:32:48 GMT

DYP/SINGLES MIX; 9 players
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1 - Jesse Rhode - $40
1 - Bill Nolan/Ken Oglesby - $40
3 - Jesse Rhode/Daniel Blech - $18
4 - Jim Hubred
5 - Chris Pagenkopf
5 - Jim Hubred/Josh X.
7 - Scott Young
7 - Ken Oglesby
9 - Daniel Blech
9 - Chris Pagenkopf/Scott Young
9 - Bill Nolan

...A crazy event!

Topic "FOOS BOWL IX is May 12 at 2pm" a message from admin

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:54:48 GMT

* 2012 Winter Arizona Foosball League Championships *
* End-of-Season League Party! *

This event includes all the league championship title matches (team and individual), a league-only handicapped DYP, and an Open Doubles / DYP event (open to ALL PLAYERS) to end the night.

There will also be FREE BAR-B-Q for all league players. (See if you can eat your league entry fee!)

CHECK OUT THE FLYER for more details.

League Coordinators
Arizona Foosball League

Topic "CM PYP 4/27/12" a message from chambie

Sun, 29 Apr 2012 19:17:52 GMT

6 Teams........

1st - Swan/Nick - $100
2nd - Eric B/Derek - $45
3rd - Mark D/Brad
4th - Scott/Trip
5th - Jim/Rich
5th - Tre/Landon

Scott Young won the 5 dollar Cactus Moon coupon in the drawing.
edited by chambie on 4/29/2012

Topic "League 5 Bar Rule" a message from BillyBoy

Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:50:41 GMT

Here is a list of possibilities so far. There may be better ones yet. My favorites at the moment are #7 or #8.

1. Don’t allow point deductions
2. Time limit
3. Cannot deduct once you’ve reached 6 points
4. Can only deduct if losing
5. Can only deduct if winning
6. Can only deduct X number of times
7. Cannot deduct player to less than 4 points
8. Cannot deduct player to less than 4 points once he has reached 4 points
edited by BillyBoy on 4/27/2012

Topic "League 5 Bar Rule" a message from admin

Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:39:08 GMT

The "5 Bar War" game is new, so this season was sort of a "trial run" to see how it went. We were aware from the beginning of the potential for it to take some time, though we didn't know if would be a problem in actual practice.

Note, however, that there are some good arguments for the option to remove points:

1) without the option, the game typically is too short.
2) with the game placed where it is (near the end of the 2nd round) it adds a nice dynamic to the match, by allowing a team to try to make up some points if they know they will need them to win.
3) the game itself has quite a bit of interesting strategy with this option in it.

For 2/3 of the season, in practice, we've heard favorable feedback on the game, including the scoring options, and these opinions were nearly unanimous. Only in the last few weeks has the issue of some games running too long came up (probably because only recently have the players really figured out that this is a way to gain points).

So it's a matter of weighing the pros against the cons. (E.g., if a long-running game is a rarity, then it may be fine as is [and even appreciated]. If it happens too often, then clearly it should be curtailed.)

After a complete season's observation, it seems that this should probably be addressed; in the off-season we will consider it and likely make changes. The league coordinators have already discussed possible solutions. Of course, simply removing the scoring option is a possibility (but as mentioned above, the strategies available are generally desirable; it is the possibility of "overplay" that is the real issue). There are many ways to limit this action that would be easy enough "solutions", but they tend to add complexity that, in practice, can present other problems (e.g., giving each player only 3 chances to deduct a opponent's point can easily lead to situations with players arguing over how many they've used already).

Presently, we must finish playoffs, etc., and complete the season at hand, so we'll resolve this issue in the off-season. For the moment, all league players should feel free to offer suggestions either here or in person. But I felt it best to present the items above so that you can keep them in mind when making suggestions. The best answer should also be a simple one
edited by admin on 4/27/2012

Topic "League 5 Bar Rule" a message from ken o

Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:03:16 GMT

foosball League Rules I don't the rule that you can take points away it can really make the game drag on 2 long. The last day of the season Wed 4-25 the five bar game at Jesters took over an hour to play. I think the scoring should be the same as all the rest of the games.

Topic "CM Roto BYP - 4/20/12" a message from chambie

Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:27:09 GMT

9 Teams........

1st - Brad/Swan - $120 Double Dip
2nd - Noel/Jim H - $65
3rd - TJ/Joe - $30
4th - Mike L/Mark D
5th - Mike S/Jim H
5th - Chris S/Scott Y
7th - Rich/Eric B
7th - Ricky C/Daniel B
9th - Nick B/Doug